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PostSubject: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:56 pm

Last year's points were counted and double-checked by Eugenio and myself.
This really needs to be done by 2 different people.

I really hate numbers, and I'm sure there are some others who will do this much better than me.

So, I'm asking for 2 volunteers to keep track of the points from each show, and count the totals for next Area2 Convention.

Please ? alien


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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:57 pm

I like numbers! I'm not by chance a banker. Smile

So I volunteer!

PS: After coming home I noticed that you wrote on the awards for last year 2014/2015 show year. But our show year is now January-December. So the awards should have been 2014 only, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:14 pm

joker wrote:
I like numbers! I'm not by chance a banker. Smile

So I volunteer!
thank you SO much !!! cheers

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PS: After coming home I noticed that you wrote on the awards for last year 2014/2015 show year. But our show year is now January-December. So the awards should have been 2014 only, right?
I'm always confused by this...Peter should know...

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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:34 pm

Is the point system the same as stated in the IBC Exhibition Standards (page 6-7)?

So, as soon as the results for the Area 2 Convention are available I'll start the statistics.

Are these to be made public (as in the US) or only made available at the end of the year? And only breeders from Area 2 are entitled now to receive points for our Area 2 Grand Champion, right?

And beside me, who will be the second person keeping records of the points? So that we can align.
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:18 am

Hi,

Please find below the points summary from Friedrichshafen.

Points Breeder
455 Joep van Esch
315 Josip Kevari
240 Jolanda Schar
220 Julia Zilken
220 Marina Monarchon
155 Thomas Kren
150 Eugenio Fornasiero
145 Ines Borgolte
145 Michel Stokkelaar
115 Jamie King
115 Josef Kanok
90 Bettina Sperl
65 Alexandra Breton
65 Kristian Draganovic
60 David Bastiaensen
40 Frantisek Baier
40 Jean-Michel Jeannerat
40 Rainer Winter
30 Liviu Dumitrescu
30 Nick in het Veld
25 Andrej Tihomirovic
20 Jolanda Wisseborn
15 Mathias Polzin
15 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu
10 Marco Graf
10 Nicole Bergande
0 Edith Wehrli
0 Daniel Dekanek
0 Pierluca Zampardi
0 Andrea Queirolo
0 Gastone Tomei
0 Christian Filbig
0 Roberto Silverii

Please note that the points for the art categories were also included. I think this should be the case as they are valid classes as well.

I've also included those breeders that are on the participants list but didn't win any prizes. Just to make sure that we keep track on all breeders. This will also help to monitor the NB registrations.

Congratulations to all winner and lets see how the ranking will develop.

Josip


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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:19 pm

THANK YOU Josip!!
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:37 pm

joker wrote:
Is the point system the same as stated in the IBC Exhibition Standards (page 6-7)?
YES.
Just be aware of the differences, depending if a show is Convention, International or District.

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So, as soon as the results for the Area 2 Convention are available I'll start the statistics.
It's certainly much easier to keep track from the first show on, than counting all at the end, like Eugenio an I did for 2014.

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Are these to be made public (as in the US) or only made available at the end of the year?
I see no reason why not.

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And only breeders from Area 2 are entitled now to receive points for our Area 2 Grand Champion, right?
Right !

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beside me, who will be the second person keeping records of the points? So that we can align.
We are waiting for a second volunteer...



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Please note that the points for the art categories were also included. I think this should be the case as they are valid classes as well.
NO they are NOT supposd to !

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I've also included those breeders that are on the participants list but didn't win any prizes. Just to make sure that we keep track on all breeders. This will also help to monitor the NB registrations.
Great idea !

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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:12 pm

Claire wrote:

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Are these to be made public (as in the US) or only made available at the end of the year?
I see no reason why not.

Ok. So beside publishing them here, anywhere else they should be published?

Claire wrote:

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Please note that the points for the art categories were also included. I think this should be the case as they are valid classes as well.
NO they are NOT supposd to !

Why not? They are regular classes (G1, G2 and G3), same as the others but just with another "content". We do give 1st, 2nd and 3rd places, so why are they being treated differently? In my opinion, if you have them at the show we should also include them for the points. You are not eliminating or disregarding the points for NB classes or classes from the Breeders Division either. And I didn't see anywhere in the Standard that they are not supposed to be counted.
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:02 pm

Concerning classes G1, G2 and G3, Standards, chapter 9, page 3:
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None of the Optional classes compete for Best of Show
Awards, IBC points or the end-of-year awards.
This doesn't shock me, as the IBC is primarily about "the betterment of Bettas", breeding and showing fish.


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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:16 pm

Claire wrote:
Concerning classes G1, G2 and G3, Standards, chapter 9, page 3:
Quote :
None of the Optional classes compete for Best of Show
Awards, IBC points or the end-of-year awards.
This doesn't shock me, as the IBC is primarily about "the betterment of Bettas", breeding and showing fish.


OK. Then I'll delete them from the points lists.
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:10 pm

joker wrote:
Ok. So beside publishing them here, anywhere else they should be published?
It should be sent to flareeditor@ibcbettas.org

I'll post it on my forum.
Our Chapters can post it on their websites if they want to.
Maybe in the Area2 Facebook and/or IBC Facebook groups ?

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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:55 pm

joker wrote:
Hi,

Please find below the points summary from Friedrichshafen.

Points Breeder
455 Joep van Esch
315 Josip Kevari
240 Jolanda Schar
220 Julia Zilken
220 Marina Monarchon
155 Thomas Kren
150 Eugenio Fornasiero
145 Ines Borgolte
145 Michel Stokkelaar
115 Jamie King
115 Josef Kanok
90 Bettina Sperl
65 Alexandra Breton
65 Kristian Draganovic
60 David Bastiaensen
40 Frantisek Baier
40 Jean-Michel Jeannerat
40 Rainer Winter
30 Liviu Dumitrescu
30 Nick in het Veld
25 Andrej Tihomirovic
20 Jolanda Wisseborn
15 Mathias Polzin
15 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu
10 Marco Graf
10 Nicole Bergande
0 Edith Wehrli
0 Daniel Dekanek
0 Pierluca Zampardi
0 Andrea Queirolo
0 Gastone Tomei
0 Christian Filbig
0 Roberto Silverii

Please note that the points for the art categories were also included. I think this should be the case as they are valid classes as well.

I've also included those breeders that are on the participants list but didn't win any prizes. Just to make sure that we keep track on all breeders. This will also help to monitor the NB registrations.

Congratulations to all winner and lets see how the ranking will develop.

Josip

The Red ones are Newbreeder. Please do not mix Newbreeder with Regular. Newbreeder must have an own list.

@Claire
Next Year we will start to give Newbreeder Year-End-Awards the first time, but only a certificate.

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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:29 am

Peter Bärwald wrote:
Please do not mix Newbreeder with Regular. Newbreeder must have an own list.

Ok. Let's then separate these two lists:

Regular breeders:

Points Breeder
455 Joep van Esch
315 Josip Kevari
240 Jolanda Schar
220 Julia Zilken
155 Thomas Kren
150 Eugenio Fornasiero
145 Michel Stokkelaar
115 Jamie King
115 Josef Kanok
65 Alexandra Breton
65 Kristian Draganovic
60 David Bastiaensen
40 Frantisek Baier
40 Jean-Michel Jeannerat
40 Rainer Winter
30 Liviu Dumitrescu
25 Andrej Tihomirovic
20 Jolanda Wisseborn
15 Mathias Polzin
15 Andrea Queirolo
0 Daniel Dekanek
0 Pierluca Zampardi
0 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu
0 Gastone Tomei
0 Christian Filbig
0 Roberto Silverii
New Breeders

Points Breeder
220 Marina Monarchon
145 Ines Borgolte
90 Bettina Sperl
30 Nick in het Veld
10 Marco Graf
10 Nicole Bergande
0 Edith Wehrli
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:45 pm

As there was a change in the show-results table, I had to adjust the points (in the list stated in the previous post) as well. So I hope that it is final now.

And what about the second volunteer? Anybody? It would be good to have 2 separate lists so that we eliminate potential errors.
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:13 pm

I am not sure, but for the last list Eugenio was the volunteer. Maybe he will be the second this year too
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Mon May 04, 2015 10:35 am

Claire, please do send me the show results list + list of all participants of the Cernier show once ready so that I can add the results to the area 2 point standing for 2015.
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Thu May 14, 2015 6:59 pm

I just sent it to your Facebook.
Sorry for the delay. Crying or Very sad

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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Fri May 15, 2015 3:06 pm

Here are the points from the show in Cernier:

Regular breeders:

180 Eugenio Fornasiero
165 Jolanda Schar
125 Thomas Kren
100 Yeu Vu
95 Christian Jacot
75 Marco Graf
70 Alexandra Breton
60 Jean-Michel Jeannerat
60 Michele Sateri
55 Tho Vu
40 Alberto Montalbetti
30 Didier Ranson
15 Roberto Silverii
5 Jan Sassmann
0 Bertrand Chaffanjeon
0 Valentina Direnzo
0 Christian Mermod

New Breeders

100 Valerie Rossier Bize
65 Nicole Bergande
45 Marina Monarchon


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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Fri May 15, 2015 3:21 pm

So, after taking into account the 2 shows held so far, the latest points standing would be as follows:

Regular breeders:

455 Joep van Esch
405 Jolanda Schar
330 Eugenio Fornasiero
315 Josip Kevari
280 Thomas Kren
220 Julia Zilken
145 Michel Stokkelaar
135 Alexandra Breton
115 Josef Kanok
115 Jamie King
100 Jean-Michel Jeannerat
100 Yeu Vu
95 Christian Jacot
75 Marco Graf
65 Kristian Draganovic
60 David Bastiaensen
60 Michele Sateri
55 Tho Vu
40 Frantisek Baier
40 Alberto Montalbetti
40 Rainer Winter
30 Liviu Dumitrescu
30 Didier Ranson
25 Andrej Tihomirovic
20 Jolanda Wisseborn
15 Mathias Polzin
15 Andrea Queirolo
15 Roberto Silverii
5 Jan Sassmann
0 Bertrand Chaffanjeon
0 Daniel Dekanek
0 Velentina Direnzo
0 Christian Filbig
0 Christian Mermod
0 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu
0 Gastone Tomei
0 Pierluca Zampardi
New Breeders

265 Marina Monachon
145 Ines Borgolte
100 Valerie Rossier Bize
90 Bettina Sperl
75 Nicole Bergande
30 Nick in het Veld
10 Marco Graf
0 Edith Wehrli


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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Fri May 15, 2015 9:55 pm

joker wrote:
And what about the second volunteer? Anybody?
After discussion between Josip and me, since we have no more voluntiers, here's what we decided to do:

- Josip will be the main registrar for the points.

- The show chair at each show will count the points for that show, and this will be the double-checking of Josip's numbers.

The "show chair" is the person responsible for the organization of the show, and it's the person who sends the show results, along with a short report (and possible a few photos) to the IBC.
Please look here:
http://area2chapters.niceboard.org/t91-calculation-of-show-points#659

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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Mon May 25, 2015 9:31 am

joker wrote:
Peter Bärwald wrote:
Please do not mix Newbreeder with Regular. Newbreeder must have an own list.

Ok. Let's then separate these two lists:

Regular breeders:

Points Breeder
455 Joep van Esch
315 Josip Kevari
240 Jolanda Schar
220 Julia Zilken
155 Thomas Kren
150 Eugenio Fornasiero
145 Michel Stokkelaar
115 Jamie King
115 Josef Kanok
65 Alexandra Breton
65 Kristian Draganovic
60 David Bastiaensen
40 Frantisek Baier
40 Jean-Michel Jeannerat
40 Rainer Winter
30 Liviu Dumitrescu
25 Andrej Tihomirovic
20 Jolanda Wisseborn
15 Mathias Polzin
15 Andrea Queirolo
0 Daniel Dekanek
0 Pierluca Zampardi
0 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu
0 Gastone Tomei
0 Christian Filbig
0 Roberto Silverii
New Breeders

Points Breeder
220 Marina Monarchon
145 Ines Borgolte
90 Bettina Sperl
30 Nick in het Veld
10 Marco Graf
10 Nicole Bergande
0 Edith Wehrli

Hello Josip,

I counted all the points to check and I got the same results as you.

cheers

Many Greetings
Peter
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PostSubject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015   Tue May 26, 2015 9:44 am

Here are the points from the show in Ranco:

Regular breeders:

750 Jolanda Schar
300 Eugenio Fornasiero
105 Andrej Tihomirovic
100 Michel Stokkelaar
90 Pierluca Zampardi
70 Josip Kevari
70 Julia Zilken
65 Gastone Tomei
55 Roberto Mancuso
50 Arie de Koning
50 Roberto Silverii
45 Jolanda Wisseborn
40 Andrea Queirolo
35 Matteo Grassi
35 Kristian Draganovic
30 Liviu Dumitrescu
30 Jean-Michel Jeannerat
30 Jamie King
20 Joep van Esch
20 Giuseppe Pastorelli
15 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu
10 Massimo Butera
10 Valentina Direnzo
5 Andrea China Gallo
5 Alberto Montalbetti
5 Boris Weber-Schwartz
0 Alexandra Breton
0 Chiara Di Labio
0 Ilaria Tarquini

New Breeders

125 Veronika Kartsevich
80 Irina Safontseva

Roberto, can you please calculate these points as well and confirm if your results are the same? Thanks!
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